DR NANDAN
MONKEY CHANTS WILL NOWAY COME NEAR TO RACISM AND THAY R MUCH BETTER THAN COMMENTS LIKE "U STUPID INDIAN"(HAPPENED TO INDIAN PRESS IN SOUTH AFRICA)OR POINTING SINGLE FINGER TO SPECTATRO(WITH OUR EX COACH GURU)AND WE QUOTE WHAT THEY DID TO MURALI IN AUSTRALIA THEY MUST DIG A BIG HOLE AND DU MP THEM SELVES..AND THEY ARE ASKING INDIAN CROUDS TO BAHAAVE SHAME ON THEM
( Posted: Friday , October 19, 2007 at 14:35 )
tig
Its always bad to do a racial comment or gestures which is so hurting , but if ya look at the crowd who are on high does anything that is possible , its more needed to give the crowds proper education on how to behave . the solution is not on givin aussies another blame saying "See symonds called sreesanth a goose ! " . The critics has some points on their version too! The whole fuss was coz of guys unawareness to racial abuses! what to do and what not to do has to be taught or expressed to the viwers n thts the solution i guess
( Posted: Friday , October 19, 2007 at 12:42 )
Jyothis S
It is wrong to accuse the Indians of being racist towards Andrew Symonds through ‘Monkey Chants’. Indians are ignorant about ‘Monkey Chants’ being a racist taunt. Of course the Indian crowd was trying to irritate Andrew Symonds and disturb his focus on the game. They were teasing him based on his braided hair and his built and not on the color of his skin. This in itself is deplorable but it is not being racist. What happened with Andrew Symonds is equivalent to irritating Nathan Bracken by calling him ‘Dangly’ or Mahendra Singh Dhoni ‘Stocky’ and nothing more than that. They were not attempting to make him feel inferior based on his ethnicity. If you call it racism then it is like accusing a colored man of taunting another colored man by calling him “colored”. It is as stupid as that. If the Indian crowd really wanted to be racist they would be racist to the Whiter-skinned Australians, which would then be termed as ‘reverse racism’. And hence I repeat that I find this continued accusation of the Indian crowd using ‘monkey chant’ as a form of racism completely and totally MISUNDERSTOOD and ABSURD.
( Posted: Friday , October 19, 2007 at 12:25 )
Prathyooshan
Looks like the Australian team and media wants to use the issue of racism in India to subvert attention from issue of racism in Australian sports. Now, whenever such issues come up (mostly when India tours Australia next), the media can always say - oh, it happens in India as well.
( Posted: Friday , October 19, 2007 at 12:15 )
Prathyooshan
The whole racism issue leaves a bad taste behind. What Andrew Symond was subjected to was booing and not racism. Thats more than obvious because hardly anyone in India, especially the turnouts for the matches knew that "monkey chants" are racist slurs. Only after the Vadodara fixture did people come to know that acting like a monkey would irritate Symonds and hence the incident in Mumbai. Objectively, one should look at the demographics of the crowd that turns out for the matches - they are mostly the lower middle class who have had little or no education - and to expect them to know and use monkey chants (a western slur) is unfathomable. The fans booed both Symonds as well as Brett Lee in the last match. Then, why hasn''t the Australian media talked about racist taunts against Lee. Honestly, for a coloured nation like us, why would we be racist against another colured man. Wouldn''t it have been more natural for the society to vent out anger against the whiter skins in the squad - that would have been at least ‘reverse racism’. That obviously hasn''t happened.
( Posted: Friday , October 19, 2007 at 12:13 )
dear Prathyooshan,
Do not think that racism only exists between white and coloured people.I live and work in Uk.I can with certainity say that asians do look down on blacks.We donot need to project this holier than thou attitude.Unless you accept there is a problem you can''t deal with it.
( Posted by
prashant on Friday , October 19, 2007 at 18:33 )
Are you serious? The people who were captured on the photograph making monkey chats are not illeterate but people from the upper middle class, who know the meaning of racism and know that "monkey chants" denote racism. They are probably people who work for MNCs, have children in english meduium school(if they have) and probably follow sports enough to know what "monkey chants" denote. Will not be surprised if they even holiday abroad.
( Posted by
rahul on Saturday , October 20, 2007 at 14:15 )
dear Prathyooshan,
Do not think that racism only exists between white and coloured people.I live and work in Uk.I can with certainity say that asians do look down on blacks.We donot need to project this holier than thou attitude.Unless you accept there is a problem you can''t deal with it.
( Posted by
prashant on Friday , October 19, 2007 at 18:33 )
Are you serious? The people who were captured on the photograph making monkey chats are not illeterate but people from the upper middle class, who know the meaning of racism and know that "monkey chants" denote racism. They are probably people who work for MNCs, have children in english meduium school(if they have) and probably follow sports enough to know what "monkey chants" denote. Will not be surprised if they even holiday abroad.
( Posted by
rahul on Saturday , October 20, 2007 at 14:15 )
VV
''Monkey Noises'', very strange form of racism unless every one including the white Austrailians believe that Symmonds is a monkey.. When they sledge in a personal manner, its gamesmanship. They are a bit rattled. I enjoy their brand of cricket but not their hypocrsy. Not to miss there holier than thou attitude.
( Posted: Friday , October 19, 2007 at 10:00 )
Anand Sharma
I am not very sure about what the column writer is trying to say.While the act of making monkey chants towards a player is absolutely stupid and deplorable, the question of bringing ''racism'' to this whole issue is nothing more than a disaster. While these chants can be associated with racism in europe and australia,they are completely unheard of in india.I am sure that more than 75% of indian people dont know about this link between the two! I dont think Andrew Symonds was targeted by the crowd because of the colour of his skin!!!It was more so because of the comments he seemed to be giving to the media about the indian players and the indian cricket team,thereby making him unpopular amongst the indian crowds.While i do not defend the crowd behavior,it would be unfair to bring in the ''racism flavour'' to it.While such incidents should be promptly taken care of in the future,it should be emphasised to the authorities concerned and also to the player in question that in a culture full of diversifications in all walks of life from religion to food habits,this cosmopolitan and tolerant country is the last place where ''racism'' should be raising its ugly head.
( Posted: Friday , October 19, 2007 at 09:34 )
If you read the first two paragraphs, it is obvious what the author is saying. But you as many are missing this point and make your own interpretation on his clear, forthright views.
He also asks what is racism. Or didn''t you see that either. Read the story first and then comment. It is suggested that he has lived in a far broader and wider environment and finds disparagment of colour offensive. That should be clear enough for you.
( Posted by
Soumitra on Friday , October 19, 2007 at 11:50 )
I have indeed read the story and then put forth my views. The author s views do suggest whatever you are trying to say.I am not criticising his credentials or his stance on racism.The point which i am trying to put forward is just a simple one.The incidents happenning in India can be ridiculous,stupid,out of sorts,unsportsmanly....but not "racist"!Making monkey noises is not racism...atleast not in India.
( Posted by
Anand Sharma on Friday , October 19, 2007 at 19:31 )
No where does Mr Chesterfield accuse Indians of being racist. In fact, he defends India, pointing out the foolishness of the behaviour of a minority who take it on themselves to make Indians appear racist by saying it is a highly complexed society. Largely, India, in the main centres is a most sophisticated yet with its de rigueur chants at sports events.
What he does have the courage to say is how others act in a racist manner. He asks too, what is racism. It is intolerance of another person''s race or ethnic/caste position. But he allows the reader to seek that answer and is attacked for it.
As a regular reader of Mr Chesterfield''s columns since the 1999 World Cup in England, I find his views often refresing and his egalitarian stance has always been clear; while we may not all agree with him his points often make you think. His one major mistake was the Indian team selection without Sachin in his side drew a lot of even personal hate mail. He was accused of being racist.
Well, this column certainly clarifies his views and tells you where he stands on this issue, pointing fingers at Australia and his own countrymen, New Zealand as well. We can all learn from this.
( Posted by
Sachath on Saturday , October 20, 2007 at 14:07 )
No where does Mr Chesterfield accuse Indians of being racist. In fact, he defends India, pointing out the foolishness of the behaviour of a minority who take it on themselves to make Indians appear racist by saying it is a highly complexed society. Largely, India, in the main centres is a most sophisticated yet with its de rigueur chants at sports events.
What he does have the courage to say is how others act in a racist manner. He asks too, what is racism. It is intolerance of another person''s race or ethnic/caste position. But he allows the reader to seek that answer and is attacked for it.
As a regular reader of Mr Chesterfield''s columns since the 1999 World Cup in England, I find his views often refresing and his egalitarian stance has always been clear; while we may not all agree with him his points often make you think. His one major mistake was the Indian team selection without Sachin in his side drew a lot of even personal hate mail. He was accused of being racist.
Well, this column certainly clarifies his views and tells you where he stands on this issue, pointing fingers at Australia and his own countrymen, New Zealand as well. We can all learn from this.
( Posted by
Sachath on Saturday , October 20, 2007 at 14:07 )
I have indeed read the story and then put forth my views. The author s views do suggest whatever you are trying to say.I am not criticising his credentials or his stance on racism.The point which i am trying to put forward is just a simple one.The incidents happenning in India can be ridiculous,stupid,out of sorts,unsportsmanly....but not "racist"!Making monkey noises is not racism...atleast not in India.
( Posted by
Anand Sharma on Friday , October 19, 2007 at 19:31 )
No where does Mr Chesterfield accuse Indians of being racist. In fact, he defends India, pointing out the foolishness of the behaviour of a minority who take it on themselves to make Indians appear racist by saying it is a highly complexed society. Largely, India, in the main centres is a most sophisticated yet with its de rigueur chants at sports events.
What he does have the courage to say is how others act in a racist manner. He asks too, what is racism. It is intolerance of another person''s race or ethnic/caste position. But he allows the reader to seek that answer and is attacked for it.
As a regular reader of Mr Chesterfield''s columns since the 1999 World Cup in England, I find his views often refresing and his egalitarian stance has always been clear; while we may not all agree with him his points often make you think. His one major mistake was the Indian team selection without Sachin in his side drew a lot of even personal hate mail. He was accused of being racist.
Well, this column certainly clarifies his views and tells you where he stands on this issue, pointing fingers at Australia and his own countrymen, New Zealand as well. We can all learn from this.
( Posted by
Sachath on Saturday , October 20, 2007 at 14:07 )
No where does Mr Chesterfield accuse Indians of being racist. In fact, he defends India, pointing out the foolishness of the behaviour of a minority who take it on themselves to make Indians appear racist by saying it is a highly complexed society. Largely, India, in the main centres is a most sophisticated yet with its de rigueur chants at sports events.
What he does have the courage to say is how others act in a racist manner. He asks too, what is racism. It is intolerance of another person''s race or ethnic/caste position. But he allows the reader to seek that answer and is attacked for it.
As a regular reader of Mr Chesterfield''s columns since the 1999 World Cup in England, I find his views often refresing and his egalitarian stance has always been clear; while we may not all agree with him his points often make you think. His one major mistake was the Indian team selection without Sachin in his side drew a lot of even personal hate mail. He was accused of being racist.
Well, this column certainly clarifies his views and tells you where he stands on this issue, pointing fingers at Australia and his own countrymen, New Zealand as well. We can all learn from this.
( Posted by
Sachath on Saturday , October 20, 2007 at 14:07 )
well said Anand..i have been wondering why none of the BCCI officials give this clarifications..n u r absolutely rite in saying that India wud be the last place where racism wud raise its head as we know it quite too well wot it feels like to be racially abused...i m wondering if this wud result in a backlash when India tours down under
( Posted by
neel on Saturday , October 20, 2007 at 04:45 )
If you read the first two paragraphs, it is obvious what the author is saying. But you as many are missing this point and make your own interpretation on his clear, forthright views.
He also asks what is racism. Or didn''t you see that either. Read the story first and then comment. It is suggested that he has lived in a far broader and wider environment and finds disparagment of colour offensive. That should be clear enough for you.
( Posted by
Soumitra on Friday , October 19, 2007 at 11:50 )
I have indeed read the story and then put forth my views. The author s views do suggest whatever you are trying to say.I am not criticising his credentials or his stance on racism.The point which i am trying to put forward is just a simple one.The incidents happenning in India can be ridiculous,stupid,out of sorts,unsportsmanly....but not "racist"!Making monkey noises is not racism...atleast not in India.
( Posted by
Anand Sharma on Friday , October 19, 2007 at 19:31 )
No where does Mr Chesterfield accuse Indians of being racist. In fact, he defends India, pointing out the foolishness of the behaviour of a minority who take it on themselves to make Indians appear racist by saying it is a highly complexed society. Largely, India, in the main centres is a most sophisticated yet with its de rigueur chants at sports events.
What he does have the courage to say is how others act in a racist manner. He asks too, what is racism. It is intolerance of another person''s race or ethnic/caste position. But he allows the reader to seek that answer and is attacked for it.
As a regular reader of Mr Chesterfield''s columns since the 1999 World Cup in England, I find his views often refresing and his egalitarian stance has always been clear; while we may not all agree with him his points often make you think. His one major mistake was the Indian team selection without Sachin in his side drew a lot of even personal hate mail. He was accused of being racist.
Well, this column certainly clarifies his views and tells you where he stands on this issue, pointing fingers at Australia and his own countrymen, New Zealand as well. We can all learn from this.
( Posted by
Sachath on Saturday , October 20, 2007 at 14:07 )
No where does Mr Chesterfield accuse Indians of being racist. In fact, he defends India, pointing out the foolishness of the behaviour of a minority who take it on themselves to make Indians appear racist by saying it is a highly complexed society. Largely, India, in the main centres is a most sophisticated yet with its de rigueur chants at sports events.
What he does have the courage to say is how others act in a racist manner. He asks too, what is racism. It is intolerance of another person''s race or ethnic/caste position. But he allows the reader to seek that answer and is attacked for it.
As a regular reader of Mr Chesterfield''s columns since the 1999 World Cup in England, I find his views often refresing and his egalitarian stance has always been clear; while we may not all agree with him his points often make you think. His one major mistake was the Indian team selection without Sachin in his side drew a lot of even personal hate mail. He was accused of being racist.
Well, this column certainly clarifies his views and tells you where he stands on this issue, pointing fingers at Australia and his own countrymen, New Zealand as well. We can all learn from this.
( Posted by
Sachath on Saturday , October 20, 2007 at 14:07 )
I have indeed read the story and then put forth my views. The author s views do suggest whatever you are trying to say.I am not criticising his credentials or his stance on racism.The point which i am trying to put forward is just a simple one.The incidents happenning in India can be ridiculous,stupid,out of sorts,unsportsmanly....but not "racist"!Making monkey noises is not racism...atleast not in India.
( Posted by
Anand Sharma on Friday , October 19, 2007 at 19:31 )
No where does Mr Chesterfield accuse Indians of being racist. In fact, he defends India, pointing out the foolishness of the behaviour of a minority who take it on themselves to make Indians appear racist by saying it is a highly complexed society. Largely, India, in the main centres is a most sophisticated yet with its de rigueur chants at sports events.
What he does have the courage to say is how others act in a racist manner. He asks too, what is racism. It is intolerance of another person''s race or ethnic/caste position. But he allows the reader to seek that answer and is attacked for it.
As a regular reader of Mr Chesterfield''s columns since the 1999 World Cup in England, I find his views often refresing and his egalitarian stance has always been clear; while we may not all agree with him his points often make you think. His one major mistake was the Indian team selection without Sachin in his side drew a lot of even personal hate mail. He was accused of being racist.
Well, this column certainly clarifies his views and tells you where he stands on this issue, pointing fingers at Australia and his own countrymen, New Zealand as well. We can all learn from this.
( Posted by
Sachath on Saturday , October 20, 2007 at 14:07 )
No where does Mr Chesterfield accuse Indians of being racist. In fact, he defends India, pointing out the foolishness of the behaviour of a minority who take it on themselves to make Indians appear racist by saying it is a highly complexed society. Largely, India, in the main centres is a most sophisticated yet with its de rigueur chants at sports events.
What he does have the courage to say is how others act in a racist manner. He asks too, what is racism. It is intolerance of another person''s race or ethnic/caste position. But he allows the reader to seek that answer and is attacked for it.
As a regular reader of Mr Chesterfield''s columns since the 1999 World Cup in England, I find his views often refresing and his egalitarian stance has always been clear; while we may not all agree with him his points often make you think. His one major mistake was the Indian team selection without Sachin in his side drew a lot of even personal hate mail. He was accused of being racist.
Well, this column certainly clarifies his views and tells you where he stands on this issue, pointing fingers at Australia and his own countrymen, New Zealand as well. We can all learn from this.
( Posted by
Sachath on Saturday , October 20, 2007 at 14:07 )
well said Anand..i have been wondering why none of the BCCI officials give this clarifications..n u r absolutely rite in saying that India wud be the last place where racism wud raise its head as we know it quite too well wot it feels like to be racially abused...i m wondering if this wud result in a backlash when India tours down under
( Posted by
neel on Saturday , October 20, 2007 at 04:45 )
Emmveeyem
Racial misconduct/discrimination arises mainly due to superiority complex and Indians (Blacks or at Brownies, however fair one might be)fortunately cannot be part of that high-nosed lot. Asndrew Symonds is a very highly talented crickteer.He provides wonderful entertainment to cricket followers all over the world.He should not be subjected to even booing and jeering.Incidentally, according to Wikipedia, Andrew, born on 9th June 1975,at Birmingham, England is of West Indian Heritage. He moved to Australia with his parents after they adopted him when he was three months old. His rise in Australian Cricket been meteoric and by any standards set by Cricket Greats deserves admiration.
( Posted: Friday , October 19, 2007 at 09:13 )
Manoj
We must learn how White Australia can use the media and yet continue with their racism in their drawing room. BCCI must ask for proper behaviour from Australia. Ours is just an aberration.
( Posted: Friday , October 19, 2007 at 06:47 )
Vidyadhar Akkaraju
Racism: who are the real monkeys in the crowd? If indeed an Australian player mocked the crowd after taking a catch like a monkey, then can they really complain if the crowd paid them back. WHO then was really being racist. Come off your high horses and take an unemotional look. Australians wrote the book on crowd taunting visiting players including using racial epithets. This was rampant during India''s last tour when words such as coolie were widely used. Last year Ashes series it was rampant also. Now a small minority taunted Symonds and they kick up a row. How oblivious were they to their own mis behaviour.
( Posted: Friday , October 19, 2007 at 06:45 )
I fail to understand the stance taken by the majority here.They did it so we can do it too ,seems to be the argument.Ive been the subject of racial taunts
and descrimination in uk, and can tell you how hurtful it could be.But hand on heart I can say that English are more tolerant than Indains are to their own people from different caste or background wether it be in India or in uk.
Some of us donot have a high horse to sit on.
( Posted by
prashant on Friday , October 19, 2007 at 18:44 )
I fail to understand the stance taken by the majority here.They did it so we can do it too ,seems to be the argument.Ive been the subject of racial taunts
and descrimination in uk, and can tell you how hurtful it could be.But hand on heart I can say that English are more tolerant than Indains are to their own people from different caste or background wether it be in India or in uk.
Some of us donot have a high horse to sit on.
( Posted by
prashant on Friday , October 19, 2007 at 18:44 )